Really. You know. With about 100 employees, and translations being cheap, it just looks so sad and so not-caring that you can't even talk to the people you are supposed to care about.
It just looks a bit like you just don't really care.
Auslöser: Können Sie uns helfen mit einer Übersetzung. Und wie üblich frage ich mich, ob es sinnvoll ist, daran teilzunehmen, oder ob die Ergebnisse dann eh nur dazu dienen, längst beschlossene Programme "durch den Communitywillen" zu legitimieren.
What is it you want us to translate? The message asking for translation into German?
AntwortenLöschenThat is an area we are improving on, and if you join the mailing list translators-l you can help too.
We are also working on a new notification and signup system for translators, which will hopefully make things even better. But in an international movement like ours there is always going to be some level of communication going on that is not in your language (but hopefully as little as possible).
Also, c'mon... we asked for help from the German community and nobody stepped up to complete the translation.
AntwortenLöschenWe tried. The German community didn't respond. So rather than leave you out of the loop entirely, we posted a message in English. I'm sorry, but I fail to see how the Foundation dropped the ball on this one.
Nearly 20 languages managed to get things translated for this. But the German community didn't.
Last post was by me.
AntwortenLöschenPhilippe Beaudette
Director, Community Advocacy
Wikimedia Foundation.
"we asked for help from the German community and nobody stepped up to complete the translation"
AntwortenLöschenthis is exactly the point: why not just simply pay some professional translator to do the job?
poupou
As Poupou (and even Southpark before - you all at WMF should leard to read texts!) said: the WMF earned a lot of money in germany - for a very small part of this money the Foundation could let translate their texts for the second-greatest comunity of the movement. But it's like so often. In Frisco you all understand nothing. You don't want to understand, you can't look over the en:WP und US edge. This is not good for such an international movement.
AntwortenLöschenEvery post (even here) brings bigger frustration. We're not the en:WP, we're not the "Global south", so it seems, we're nothing worth, only as milk cow. Collecting money here seems to be OK for the Foundation. But investing money here...
Für Übersetzungen von projektinternen Nachrichten aus dem Englischen Geld ausgeben?
AntwortenLöschenDas können wir selbst und das machen wir selbst.
@h-stt
AntwortenLöschenwie gesehen können wir es eben manchmal nicht. und anstatt dann über die deutsche community rumzunölen bzw. diese inhaltlich im unklaren zu lassen, wäre es imho zielführend, die information ernsthaft zu vermitteln, indem man sie dann eben professionell übersetzen lässt.
poupou
Hi Jon Harald and Philippe,
AntwortenLöschenthank you for reading and your answers. This special message about the survey is of course not really the reason for my statement, just the occasion.
I was just wondering. Normally when I want something from people (like: please answer my questionnaire) I try to be polite, and one way to be polite, is to adress people in their native language. Of course there are limits and I won't expect you to post in Volapük - but if at Wikimedia you don't use German, what other language differentfrom English do you use at all?
And while I was reading the message I was wondering, why actually there exists no reliable procedure for the foundation to contact the German community in German. (or, as far as I know) to contact any community other than en: in a language in which the community actually feels at home. Communicating in English large parts of the community will always have the feeling that they at a disadvantage and in an inferior position.
When there are ~100 employees in San Francisco and ~25 in Berlin, why is it that there seems to exist no working procedure to get this reliable done? Shouldn't communication with the community be a high high priority of Foundation and Verein?
And yes, I do think the obligation to get this done lies primarily at the Foundation; it is not primarily at the community (who should be busy writing anencyclopedia..) to try to catch up with the foundation.